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Comas are strange

Heather said: "That sounds like a cruel joke. 3 days after 6 years and she went back in? Maybe she'll come out and stay out.."

cvalh said: "I have to put my two cents in about politicians... One of you mentioned not trusting anyone and how people lack so much integrity... Well, I hate to say it, but that's why these people are politicians. Those who WANT to be in power probably ought not be. Meanwhile, frequently, the people who would do the best keep themselves far away from politics."

cvalh said: "Lakelady... You're correcting something in my statement that doesn't really need correcting. I agree with you, I was just making a generalization ABOUT the dishonest politicians. What needs correcting is the fact that it sounded like I meant all politicians. I still believe, however, that many of the people who would do the best job stay far away from that stuff."

DBrew said: "Yes, that case was one of the most inhumane things I have heard of. Inmates on death row get a more fair death than that. How horrible.If she were meant to die, then she would not have had to be starved. I still feel so sad for her parents. That was total insanity. One instance where the gov. SHOULD have intervened.( and those instances are very rare) Mahesh that is a strange story. That is sad to me, too. i hope the woman will eventally come out of the coma for good."

DBrew said: "Doc, there was no mention of God in my post. I am unsure as to if there is one. It does not even seem to me that there is and I am not religious at all. I just think that was very inhumane treatment. It was not a good means to an end. As far as being offended goes, not much offends me either,no worries. That is an awesome and true quote, Lakelady. When I was younger and more impressionable, my mom had me list myself as a republican and I am so far from that. I can not wait to go change that. I really do not want to be classified as part of any political group. I think I will have to go issue by issue from now on."

DBrew said: "I just feel no matter who I will vote for now, I can not trust them anyhow. Why do people not have any integrity anymore? WHy do these people abuse there situations so horribly?"

DBrew said: "Yes, I think we have been hurt enough. As the Who says' "we won't get fooled again"."

DBrew said: "Dr. Cool, I did not even take it wrong in the first place. I thought you were saying that maybe what happened to Terri should not have, and I concurred. I did not even think I put the words "meant to die" in my post. But, just because nobody is sure what a person wants who no longer can speak for themselves, we as a public should not just trust what someone else says. We should trust what is in writing , which there was none of. It was a hard situation, but we should never starve people. P.S. I just read my post and I DID say meant to die. I think she WAS living on her own without a respirator but I am not sure. I think she was living on her own so the situation just really perplexed me. Why would they starve someone who was living on there own? It was just....weird."

DBrew said: "Cvlah, Lakelady, and Angel, you guys all made rally good points. I love having people around to challange my way of thinking and expound upon what I already know. Good posts."

angel_rising said: "OOOOH Politcal debate sounds like fun. I personally believe that our government as a whole is getting too powerfull. They are slowly controling every aspect of our lives. They are putting us in a gilded cage, and it is sad to say that there are some people out there that just dont see it and there are some that do see it they just dont care. I know that there are some good politicians out there but in order for them to get anything done they have to make atleast a couple deals with the devil. I also will admitt there have been some good law passed recently, we just dont hear about them. As for the contraversial removel of the feeding tube. I think they should have stepped in there. It makes me angry to see the government butt in where they don't belong, and stay away when they are truely needed. I am hoping that Americans are getting to the point where they are not going to sit back and take it anymore. The goverment is of the people and for the people. It is time that the people make them remember that. Just my two cents. Oh back on the origanal topics. Comas are strange my mom as a nurses aid had one patient wake up after 20 years. The lady said that she remembers hearing many of the people that came into her room, and that she could feel my mom holding her hand. We just can't assume that becuase they are in a coma that they do not sense any of the outside world. Angel"

mahesh67 said: "And this story is very weird. A woman [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17516126/]came out of her coma[/url] for 3 days after being in it for 6 years! Then she fell back in."

lakelady said: "You're right Mahesh, the human brain remains medicines biggest mystery! There is infinitely more that we DON'T know about it's workings, than what we DO know. Neurology is still in it's infancy!"

lakelady said: "[QUOTE=DrCOOL959] Makes you re-think the whole Schaivo controversy a little.[/QUOTE] I don't HAVE to re-think the Schiavo thing. That woman was not brain dead, so it was flat out wrong to starve her to death!"

lakelady said: "Don't worry Doc, you didn't offend me. (it takes a LOT more than that to offend me!) I'm sorry if you took it that way! I'm all for families being allowed to 'pull the plug' on braindead loved ones, and terminally ill patients opting not to have their hearts kept beating, and lungs breathing by machine. The Schiavo case was different. As far as the government intervening there, the way they tried to do it wasn't their role. What they SHOULD have done is had a TRO issued aginst the husband while they made a LAW saying it's illegal to starve a helpless person to death. You're right, we don't KNOW what Terry would have wanted, and that's tragic. We also don't know the level of her suffering as her organs shriveled and failed and her skin cracked and bled. WE DON'T KNOW! That being the case, I think that we should err on the side of caution. I was just APPALLED at the whole thing! p.s. Doc, it's ok to say you're 'not very religious' When I look around me and see the inhumanity and intolerance the Christian right is perpetrating on the American people it almost makes me ashamed to admit that I believe in God at all, not wanting to be lumped in with these people. We who believe in God understand Him as our vehicle to the divine. But for us to assume that God could not act in other ways is, I think, to put God in an awfully small box. Here's a quote from Sinclair Lewis I'll bet you'll like; "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." The man was clearly presentient!"

lakelady said: "Oh, 'Brew,I can relate! I come from a long line of republicans, but they've strayed so far from their roots of smaller government, that I don't even recognize them any more. they're really turning into 'nanny-government'!:angry:"

lakelady said: "Take heart 'Brew. In this country's history there have been many periods where politicians abused their power horribly. And ALWAYS, the American people would be pushed only so far and the pendulum swung the other way. If you look around just a little, you'll see it's already begun."

lakelady said: "'Sawright Doc, we're all good! :grin:"

lakelady said: "I have a bit of a different view of politicians Cvalh, I know a few personally. (my former attorney was recently our lieutenant governor) Most politicians get into it for the right reasons, and contrary to the headlines, MOST politicians are honest and dedicated. They are, because to get where they are, they've had to undergo intense scrutiny by the American people, and we're not so easily fooled as you might think! Sure, some slip through, and they get the headlines, but you notice, they DO get caught! I think the hunger for power happens AFTER they win that first race for some of them. They can't withstand the seduction of power. And, too, to get anything done in any legislature, deals must be made. The young politician soon learns that to get his school lunch program passed he must 'buy' the votes by voting against his conscious somewhere else and he has to try to pick the lesser of evils. These are bloody waters to navigate! remember Cvalh, it was the politicians who first blew the whistle on Bush's' plan to spy on Americans without warrents and had him soundly brought to heel. They derived no personal benefit from this, they were just doing their job! The integrity is there, bred bone deep in most of them. Unfortunately we don't hear about those guys. They just don't make good copy!"

lakelady said: "[QUOTE=cvalh]Lakelady... You're correcting something in my statement that doesn't really need correcting. I agree with you, I was just making a generalization ABOUT the dishonest politicians. What needs correcting is the fact that it sounded like I meant all politicians. I still believe, however, that many of the people who would do the best job stay far away from that stuff.[/QUOTE] OH! sorry! I reread and you're RIGHT, I DID misunderstand you!:o (it was early)"

DrCOOL959 said: "That is weird, at least she got to talk to her family after so long. Makes you re-think the whole Schaivo controversy a little."

DrCOOL959 said: "[quote=lakelady]I don't HAVE to re-think the Schiavo thing. That woman was not brain dead, so it was flat out wrong to starve her to death![/quote] Whoa.. Didn't mean to offend you Lakelady! Sorry for that. I guess that is why it was such a big controversy afterall. The government should step in......shouldn't step in. The religion thing.......god would have taken her as dbrew said.....or the otherside claiming that the doctors are indeed playing God. I'm not saying what was done was right or wrong, but whats done is done. There is something to learn from that case. Write out your will so that people will know what you want if you are ever in that state. Not everyone would want to be kept alive year after year if faced with a similar situation. For all we know she wouldn't have wanted to be plugged in(tube fed/whatever)....or maybe she would have! Starving her is cruel....of course! Sitting in a hospital for 15 years in a PVS is also pretty cruel. Dbrew- I'm not very religious so when I hear people say "If she were meant to die " I got to ask.....how do you know God didn't get his way?... Just lively debate! Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way! =)"

DrCOOL959 said: "Hi Lakelady & Dbrew, Lakelady- I see now, I took the "tone" of the message the wrong way, a common mistake. Sorry for the right thing this time! =) DBrew- Your right you didn't say God in your message, so I did make an assumption. When you said "If she were meant to die" I assumed that you meant that she was not meant to die because it wasn't her time, and then assumed her time was decided by the almighty being the death planner. (See! you assume that when I say almighty I'm talking about God! right? ) =) could be the Grim Reaper.... Either way I shouldn't have assumed that you were a bible beater Dbrew, and I shouldn't have taken Lakelady's post as one that was angry at me for putting Schiavo's plight so nonchalantly. My bad you guys! :whacky011:"