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spectrachic311 said: "It 's all tricky marketing. Our company makes fried foods and right now I think about 80% of our products are trans-fat free but that doesn't mean they're good for you. An Oreo is still an Oreo, whether it has trans fats or not. I am sort of worried that labeling things "Trans Fat free" will make a lot of consumers think "healthy". We need to get away from eating these kinds of foods in general and eat more fruits and veggies."
spectrachic311 said: "DrCool...you hit the nail on the head. At work, we get a processed foods journal that has info in there about how to sell more of your product by labeling it to say what consumers want to hear. One issue had a special thing about trans fats and they said that people will buy more of a product that says "trans fat free" or "0 gm trans fats" over one that doesn't, so you should put that label on your product, even if it never had trans fat to begin with. I bought celery last week with the label on it saying "No Cholesterol! Trans fat free!" Well, good to know. I'm glad that my celery has no cholesterol in it...geez, how dumb do they think people are?
And BTW...I happen to like Supertech oil ok. It's generally cheaper than the store brand stuff, but sometimes Fleet Farm has good rebates on the Citgo stuff. My dad has this thing about motor oil though...he refuses to use synthetic. He ONLY buys QuakerState and I think that's the only kind he's ever bought, even though my husband constantly tells him it really doesn't matter all that much. Speaking of which...I gotta change oil in my car soon, I just hate doing it in the winter when it's all gross. Know what my theory is about there being few women mechanics? Too messy and icky and cold. That's my main problem. I HATE getting oil and grease all over myself and having a snowy, drippy car over my head. I don't mind it so much in the summer though."
spectrachic311 said: "Ah, DrCool...I didn't notice you're in CALIFORNIA!! Lucky you. Here in Wisconsin, cars die from getting rusted out. Most of the time, the engine and all the other parts are perfectly fine, but you can't really drive a car that has holes in the floorboards. Around here they coat the roads in salt all the time and that just makes the rust worse. I know all about the rusted-on bolts problem...we had to work on the brakes on Matt's (my husband) truck and the rotors were so rusty, it was insane. Then again, not all southern cars are great, either. Matt's brother bought a used Corsica from Florida and the car does have a solid body, but it has had so many mechanical problems...we've put a new alternator in twice, the electrical system is all messed up, it doesn't run properly in the cold, it leaks coolant, you name it. He desperately needs a new car, especially since every time there's a problem with it, he calls Matt to fix it.
LOL, wow, way to get off target here. Funny how trans fats makes you think of motor oil.
Know something else that's kind of cool/gross? Have you ever seen a coolant leak into the crankcase? How it turns the oil into milkshake-like sludge? THey put antifreeze in foods to help the fat set up and stabilize. So even though you aren't getting the trans fats, you get antifreeze instead. When products talk about being "reformulated" to account for the trans fat ban, you have to watch for the addition of propylene glycol or ethylene glycol...they may put that in to keep the unsaturated fats from separating on the shelf. Talk about creepy."
spectrachic311 said: "Yep, my Saturn definitely has blow-by, but with Saturns it is a really common problem. The engines on those cars may as well be made of plastic, the rest of the car seems to be. Mine has 135,000 miles on it, which was WAY less than my old Toyota had on it before it died. Matt's S10 has almost 300,000 miles on it and the engine's fine. Mine uses oil, which is a pain because it means I have to check it a lot more often than I'm used to. I definitely prefer the import cars to the domestic ones as far as components go. I used to have a nice Chevy Prizm, which was basically a Corolla, and it had absolutely no problems (until it got totalled out by a semi). The next car we get is definitely going to be a Corolla or possibly a Honda. Saturns are okay "cheap cars", but they are definitely that: cheap. Mine's a stick and compared to Matt's truck, mine feels like the gears are made of plastic or something.
We're trying to convince Matt's bro to get a decent car so his Corsica won't keep breaking down. He just got a new job and is a little short on $$ so he'll probably end up getting another beater. So long as it's a reliable beater, I guess. My little brother has a great little 92 Corolla that's working well for him. THe only problem with it was that its exhaust system was kind of shot and it now sounds awful. He got a citation for having too loud of a vehicle, actually. I guess he'll need to get it fixed at some point, but it's not going to be worth it to put a lot of money into the car at this point. At least it's better than his old car...the Shaggin' Wagon: a 1994 Ford Escort wagon. Man, that thing was awful. My dad had it before my brother and never really took very good care of it (my husband's ALWAYS on my dad about his car-care habits). The timing belt had never been replaced and last winter my brother was driving along and all of a sudden...the car just stopped running and he had to pull off the road. He freaked out and called my dad and my husband..we drove out there and Matt fished out the remains of the oldest timing belt known to man. It was over 10 years old and I'm surprised it didn't break a long time ago. Amazing what a little preventative maintenance can do for a car. Kind of like with your body...take care of it and it'll take care of you.
Check out this website: [url]www.foodfacts.com[/url] You can find out which foods have antifreeze in them so you don't buy them. Heck, you can figure out which foods have anything in them...it's a pretty neat site."
spectrachic311 said: "Changing my own oil gives me a sense of accomplishment. It only costs 89 cents/quart for oil (I am cheap and buy Supertech) and a filter is only 3 bucks. Matt likes to help me and we talk and connect and he shows me lots of stuff on my car and teaches me about all kinds of things. It's our "couples time". I suppose we COULD pay the $20 to have Jiffy Lube do it, but for us it's kind of "fun". We do lots of mechanic-stuff together....I get to be the mechanic apprentice and it's our dorky way of bonding."
spectrachic311 said: "Haha, yeah, that's pretty much why Matt won't take our vehicles to a Jiffy Lube. He's most terrified about them double-gasketing the filter and it popping off in the middle of the road somewhere. If you do it yourself, you have a lot more control. And when I change my oil, I also check my tire pressure, check my tranny fluid, check my coolant, etc. My dad once took his car to Jiffy Lube and they used the wrong type of oil...he needed 10W30 and they used 5W30...not usually a huge deal, but it was enough to make my dad mad."
spectrachic311 said: "Yeah, I was the oldest son my dad never had, so I got to learn all about cars, remodeling, gardening, football, etc...stuff my little brother never cared to learn about. And now I'm married to a mechanic, so I get to help even more. This weekend I'm going to clean the piston rings on my car to see if that will help its fuel mileage any...lately it's been sucking gas like crazy. If that doesn't help, I'm not sure what we'll try next."
DBrew said: "Thanks for the article, SHorti! This is just another fad to get people to buy things. It seems like there is always some health manipulation at play for all product markets. I think we are just moving on from the anti bacterial craze to this. A couple of years ago, it was low carb and before that, fat free. And if we look around us, everyone is STILL fat because they are expecting miracles from products that just will not deliver. Overall health and physical fitness are found through portion control, and an active lifestyle. SOME fats and oils are veryu good for us,. but balance is key. Oreos are fine, in moderation. If you can not just eat two, then do not buy them! Too much of any fat, sugar, etc, will land anyone in the "fat house". We all know this here at Featherish because we da bomb!"
DBrew said: "That label on the celery is utterly ridiculous. Bet it made you laugh, though!"
DBrew said: "I have a 2001 Corolla and I love it! I would highly recommend it to anyone. Not the most spectacular car but reliable thus far. That is what I need with two kids!"
DBrew said: "Brittany, if I could change my own oil, I would definately do it. I would be pretty proud of myself because I am super girlie! I think that rocks that you can do that. I wish I could. Let me ask you, is there anything you CAN'T do? You have skills!"
DBrew said: "I havent gone to Jiffy Lube either and now definately do not plan on it. My husband is one of those self oil changers, too. Something seems to always get screwed up when he does it, but his dad always did all that kind of stuff and I think it does give him a sense of accomplishment. He always figures it out in the end.
You have to love the American teen's work ethic, don't ya?"
DBrew said: "Sorry guys, I just can not change my own oil- ever! After all, I might break a nail:dazed052:
The picture of Karen and Brittany changing oil and checking the car is a pretty cool one though. Burn your bras you liberated females!:laugh: You two gals rock!"
DBrew said: "That is so cool!"
Matt_9 said: "The part of this article that stood out to me was the part saying trans fat free is being overemphasized. I couldn't agree more. Go take a look at the cookie aisle of your local grocery store and count the number of packages that say "0 trans fat!" "trans fat free!" And not [I]just[/I] the cookie aisle - but all around the grocery store. Having the words "trans fat free" on a package sadly misleads millions to think that the product is also fat free. Or somehow healthy. And it's just not true. Oreos are trans fat free now, but eating just 2 cookies is 150 calories and over 4 grams of fat. I wouldn't be surprised if some people think eating Oreos is fat free now because of packaging. It's all a marketing ploy."
Valalor said: "ohhhh wow.. that is soo nuts.. I'm never going back to jiffy lube ever... :( wonder if walmart does that too... this is insane.. i guess you would never thought they would do something like that cuz if you like take your car in, and they say they are going to do something and they dont and you have the paper that says they did and it breaks down cuz of that and you have an actual machanic take a look at it and say that is what caused it to break, you can sew... why would a company do something like that.!!!"
lakelady said: "This article confirms what I've always suspected. Remember, not too long ago it was the tropical oils (palm, coconut, etc,) that we were all warned away from as deadly. Now that transfats are under attack, they are being replaced with these oils. I think the wisest course for us all is to limit our total intake of ALL fats, and you all know I've NEVER thought big brother government should be involved AT ALL!"
lakelady said: "[QUOTE=spectrachic311] Speaking of which...I gotta change oil in my car soon, I just hate doing it in the winter when it's all gross. Know what my theory is about there being few women mechanics? Too messy and icky and cold. That's my main problem. I HATE getting oil and grease all over myself and having a snowy, drippy car over my head. I don't mind it so much in the summer though.[/QUOTE]
Spectra, with an oil change running about 20 bucks at one of the chains, WHY would you change you own oil? By the time you buy four or five quarts of oil, and an oil filter you're spending at least that anyway. just make sure you check the oil plug when they're finished. it sometimes doesn't get tightened properly."
lakelady said: "Aww CRAP, you guys! Especially you doc, with the video! NOW I'm gonna have to go back to changing my own oil, and trust me spectra, after you've done it for 30 years, the 'sense of accomplishment' is pretty much OVER!
Thanks a bunch!"
lakelady said: "[QUOTE=DBrew]Sorry guys, I just can not change my own oil- ever! After all, I might break a nail:dazed052:
The picture of Karen and Brittany changing oil and checking the car is a pretty cool one though. Burn your bras you liberated females!:laugh: You two gals rock![/QUOTE]
Hey, just because I don't LIKE it, doesn't mean I'm not GOOD at it! I had all car-jock brothers and uncles, (and NOW two sons!) I once showed my poor, clueless hubby how to replace a fan belt with a leg off my panty hose long enough to get us to the next town. Should've seen the laughing truck-drivers go by while I fixed the car as my big strong hubby held the flashlight!"
DrCOOL959 said: "Thats marketing for you, there is always a direct corelation between what you see printed on the bag/box of whatever you buy and that companies marketing department. The packaging is what sells..
For example the packaging difference between cereals:
Frosted Flakes, vs the store brand corn flakes or....
fruit loops vs store brand fruitios or whatever the hell they are called now.
Same exact product but people still buy frosted flakes, and fruit loops...why because they saw them on TV or the kid see's the flashy box in the store.
Another example could be motor oil.
Pennzoil/Quakerstate....Vs. Supertech (walmart branded oil)....
(just incase anyone was wondering) walmart doesn't drill for oil! lol, they farm out a company like shell (shell owns penzoil, quakerstate) to bottle for them with the supertech sticker brand on the outside.
So why do people buy pennzoil over supertech?.....?
Its all marketing, A lot of companies know that they sell the exact same product, thats why they try to make their product different from the others wether it is truely different or ONLY PRECIEVED as being different....."Quakestate oil FORMULATED FOR! [B]4x4 trucks and suv's[/B]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/DCX2006/oil_synthetic4x4.jpg[/IMG]
There is only 3 flavors of oil, if you will, Conventinal oil from the rotting carcuses of barney the dead dinosaur, full synthetic -enginered by man, OR a synthetic blend... a little dash of enginered oil and a little bit of barney for a little bit of the benefits of both (mainly lower price and a little added protection).
So instead of saying, synthetic blend- Good for higher demand applications such as towing, hauling....yadda yadda they go...specially formulated for your truck!.... give me a break. So some chump buys that instead of of supertech synthetic blend.... because.....well this is made for a truck and dooooha I have a truck george!....
Marketing plays us all for fools, and capitalize on our ignorance, but you can blame the News for the "No Trans Fat" craze, because they made a big deal about it, and low and behold a Marketing department asked a survey panel "Would you buy more........if it said "No Trans fat"......
"Yes I would buy your Cool Ranch Doritios....because No Trans Fat means its healthy and I want to be healthy.......so I can have this bag of DORITOS!"
Marketing: PRINT IT!
This post brought to you by Captain Obvious! =)"
DrCOOL959 said: "[quote=spectrachic311]DrCool...you hit the nail on the head. At work, we get a processed foods journal that has info in there about how to sell more of your product by labeling it to say what consumers want to hear. One issue had a special thing about trans fats and they said that people will buy more of a product that says "trans fat free" or "0 gm trans fats" over one that doesn't, so you should put that label on your product, even if it never had trans fat to begin with. I bought celery last week with the label on it saying "No Cholesterol! Trans fat free!" Well, good to know. I'm glad that my celery has no cholesterol in it...geez, how dumb do they think people are?
And BTW...I happen to like Supertech oil ok. It's generally cheaper than the store brand stuff, but sometimes Fleet Farm has good rebates on the Citgo stuff. My dad has this thing about motor oil though...he refuses to use synthetic. He ONLY buys QuakerState and I think that's the only kind he's ever bought, even though my husband constantly tells him it really doesn't matter all that much. Speaking of which...I gotta change oil in my car soon, I just hate doing it in the winter when it's all gross. Know what my theory is about there being few women mechanics? Too messy and icky and cold. That's my main problem. I HATE getting oil and grease all over myself and having a snowy, drippy car over my head. I don't mind it so much in the summer though.[/quote]
Lol aout the celery!,
also I like supertech too, mainly because I'm cheap, and you don't have to use a rebate on it. Although when I feel like going through a rebate, I can buy 12 quarts of shell, or chevron for less than 1dollar/quart from Kragen Auto Parts (back east, would be called Checkers, or Schucks. (I use to work for CSK sadly))
I think your right about the number of female auto mechanics, it is hard to find one that is into working on cars thats not named big bertha, who has ....what can only be discribed as... a "curiously deep voice...." lol and has bigger bicepts than I do for pete sake.
Also, When I went to south lake tahoe the snow has a weird way of covering the car with this hazzy looking crap...dirty road slush with a dash of oil particulate and a pinch of salt..
I can imagine what it would be like doing simple things with the car coated in that crap trying to speed rust a hole in your car/speed rust all the parts together. I had an 85 chevy C10, truck was over 20 years old, so I know how much fun it can be to get rusted bolts off.....when I decided to go change the shocks.........forget using a wrench, I just took a disc grinder and cut the mounting bolts off rather than trying to remove the nut anymore....
I was trying to remove the lower nut from the driver side front shock mount.....1/2inch square drive breaker bar about 2 and 1/2 feet long ...push!....nothing...push harder...nothing....god damn!.....push as hard as I can....and guess what happens, I scoot across the floor......what do you do then lol 250lb guy trying to find someplace to anchor down!!!!! that is wrong! lol
After that I just looked at any fasteners on that truck that wased rust and cut them out with the grinder when I needed to replace a part. easier to replace a bolt/stud then to break all my knuckles when that basterd lets go of all that stored up energy. (if it lets go!)
Wow.....forgive me for the long post, sometimes I get to typing and this happens =)"
DrCOOL959 said: "[quote=spectrachic311]Ah, DrCool...I didn't notice you're in CALIFORNIA!! Lucky you. Here in Wisconsin, cars die from getting rusted out. Most of the time, the engine and all the other parts are perfectly fine, but you can't really drive a car that has holes in the floorboards. Around here they coat the roads in salt all the time and that just makes the rust worse. I know all about the rusted-on bolts problem...we had to work on the brakes on Matt's (my husband) truck and the rotors were so rusty, it was insane. Then again, not all southern cars are great, either. Matt's brother bought a used Corsica from Florida and the car does have a solid body, but it has had so many mechanical problems...we've put a new alternator in twice, the electrical system is all messed up, it doesn't run properly in the cold, it leaks coolant, you name it. He desperately needs a new car, especially since every time there's a problem with it, he calls Matt to fix it.
LOL, wow, way to get off target here. Funny how trans fats makes you think of motor oil.
Know something else that's kind of cool/gross? Have you ever seen a coolant leak into the crankcase? How it turns the oil into milkshake-like sludge? THey put antifreeze in foods to help the fat set up and stabilize. So even though you aren't getting the trans fats, you get antifreeze instead. When products talk about being "reformulated" to account for the trans fat ban, you have to watch for the addition of propylene glycol or ethylene glycol...they may put that in to keep the unsaturated fats from separating on the shelf. Talk about creepy.[/quote]
Thats what I've heard, most cars around here die of old age rather than rusting apart luckily. A budy online told me about a toyota he had he was like ..."I'd have kept it longer.....if one day when I turned left and the car went right" lol in reference to rusting back east.
As far as antifreeze and oil,
I had a 1992 mitsubishi eclipse.....that I wrecked,
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/DCX2006/scan002.jpg[/IMG]
but before I wrecked it...lol a headgasket failed and let water into the cylinders which of course turns to steam in a car that is running with such a problem, which goes out the exhaust pipe but also! steam travels past the rings a little bit, all cars have what is called "blow by"....most cars don't have much but there is always a little bit, so I've seen the "oh shit" radiator milkshake! lol.
always fun to remove the throttle body, upper and lower intake manifold (2 part), thermostat housing, exhaust manifold, exhaust pipe, distributor, cam sprocket (& timing belt), valve cover and countless other parts just to replace a friggin head gasket. (Luckily my head was neither cracked, nor warped so just slapped a quality gasket in, and re gasketed everything else I had to remove to get to it..
The worst part of that job is using a gasket scrapper (razor blade on a stick) to remove all the old gasket material without scratching the soft aluminum head.
Now with all that said, to think about draining some of that stuff from the radiator into a cup for consumption.....yikes!
Oh also about the Corsica, its not a bad car but not exactly legendary for its reliability. Your bro should get an import, something from Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi (in that order) I mean there is nothing wrong with domestic brands I'm a big chevy truck lover, have friends with trucks that are absolutely rediculous, buddy had a little S10, going for almost 380,000 miles before he hit a cow. My step dad had a 1987 Nissan Pickup that went for 330,000 miles before he let it overheat (radiator was leakin for weeks!) My mom used to drive a ford aerostar that we still have as a backup vehicle/hauler that is over 200,000 miles, my step dad currently drives a 1998 nissan frontier pickup truck, currently aproaching 200,000 miles, I sold my truck with 142,000 miles, my current corolla has 135,000 miles, my brother got rid of an 1989 toyota corolla with 170,000 miles on it, was still running but he wanted something newer with an automatic.
Its just that imports tend to have a better track record, especially when it comes to mechanics, starting/charging system, Nipon denso, and their sensors/electrical equipment is rediculously reliable...., and littered around almost all imports. There is an alternator and starter in my step dads nissan frontier, 200,000 miles, made by Denso and it has never been changed since it rolled off the line....
Thats not to say that if you buy a certain brand it will be reliable, there are far to many people that abuse the bejesus out of cars then sell them to unsuspecting people. So for example a domestic in good condition will always be better than an import in poor condition, but givin the choice between import and domestic for same price, condition, features,the import is normally the way to go because the quality of parts tends to be higher and the electronics for the fuel management and charging/starting will take a beating and keep on ticking.... Whereas ford, with motorcraft, GM with AC Delco, dodge with Mopar (Motor Parts) make good parts that are getting better but I would not say that they are as good as denso parts have proved to be in the past."
DrCOOL959 said: "[quote=spectrachic311]Yep, my Saturn definitely has blow-by, but with Saturns it is a really common problem. The engines on those cars may as well be made of plastic, the rest of the car seems to be. Mine has 135,000 miles on it, which was WAY less than my old Toyota had on it before it died. Matt's S10 has almost 300,000 miles on it and the engine's fine. Mine uses oil, which is a pain because it means I have to check it a lot more often than I'm used to. I definitely prefer the import cars to the domestic ones as far as components go. I used to have a nice Chevy Prizm, which was basically a Corolla, and it had absolutely no problems (until it got totalled out by a semi). The next car we get is definitely going to be a Corolla or possibly a Honda. Saturns are okay "cheap cars", but they are definitely that: cheap. Mine's a stick and compared to Matt's truck, mine feels like the gears are made of plastic or something.
We're trying to convince Matt's bro to get a decent car so his Corsica won't keep breaking down. He just got a new job and is a little short on $$ so he'll probably end up getting another beater. So long as it's a reliable beater, I guess. My little brother has a great little 92 Corolla that's working well for him. THe only problem with it was that its exhaust system was kind of shot and it now sounds awful. He got a citation for having too loud of a vehicle, actually. I guess he'll need to get it fixed at some point, but it's not going to be worth it to put a lot of money into the car at this point. At least it's better than his old car...the Shaggin' Wagon: a 1994 Ford Escort wagon. Man, that thing was awful. My dad had it before my brother and never really took very good care of it (my husband's ALWAYS on my dad about his car-care habits). The timing belt had never been replaced and last winter my brother was driving along and all of a sudden...the car just stopped running and he had to pull off the road. He freaked out and called my dad and my husband..we drove out there and Matt fished out the remains of the oldest timing belt known to man. It was over 10 years old and I'm surprised it didn't break a long time ago. Amazing what a little preventative maintenance can do for a car. Kind of like with your body...take care of it and it'll take care of you.
Check out this website: [URL="http://www.foodfacts.com"]www.foodfacts.com[/URL] You can find out which foods have antifreeze in them so you don't buy them. Heck, you can figure out which foods have anything in them...it's a pretty neat site.[/quote]
Thanks for the website Spectra/Hey shorti, sorry for sorta thread jacking your post btw =(
Spectra,
I drive a 1992 corolla my self, good car, I mean its your typical grandma grocery getter, they deffinately make great "beaters" I beat the snot out of mine, and its been good but I do take very good care of it.
Hah, a Saturn, they are not bad cars, and you know what they do have one thing going for them. They have timing chains instead of belts, I don't know specifically if they all have, but I had to do a head on a saturn and it had a chain....although it looked like a bicycle chain! it kept the car running without any maintance other than fluids and filters, till 177,000 or so when a valve was wearing away at the seat on the head causing the compression in that cylinder to fall. But hey....those cars are cheap and that bad boy made 180k pretty much.
Saturns have been known as dispossable cars though, most people don't fix them, like when I was redoing the head on the saturn most people are like.... "Why bother?!?" lol. They aren't the greatest, but they certaintly, are not the worst!. Kia........worst cars.....ever! I've never bought one, so you may say how do you know that there bad,
I've seen parts fall out of those cars lol, rediculous.
"Hey check out my fresh new ride.... just bought it man, guy hooked me up with financing"
God couldn't have timed this any better: "dome light falls off the roof"....
....*dangling....swinging by the wires...* lol
I've heard some of those cars go thro transmissions faster than they make it to oil changes lol. let alone their safety, don't get me wrong, corolla and all small cars are not the safest, but a Kia's body will ripple along the length in a minor fender bender."
DrCOOL959 said: "[quote=spectrachic311]Changing my own oil gives me a sense of accomplishment. It only costs 89 cents/quart for oil (I am cheap and buy Supertech) and a filter is only 3 bucks. Matt likes to help me and we talk and connect and he shows me lots of stuff on my car and teaches me about all kinds of things. It's our "couples time". I suppose we COULD pay the $20 to have Jiffy Lube do it, but for us it's kind of "fun". We do lots of mechanic-stuff together....I get to be the mechanic apprentice and it's our dorky way of bonding.[/quote]
Don't ever take your car to Jiffy Lube, they screw up way to many cars. My brother used to work for them, there are some ok jiffy lube employees but a majority is people that aren't qualified to wash your car let alone change the oil.
They are also notorious for charging you for a service, say a tranny flush, and not doing it. They say they inspect a bunch of different things and "lube" up the chassis....again If they are too lazy (or too busy), or just don't give a shit they will say they lubed say (zerg fittings on ball joints, rwd vehicles drive shafts (u joints)) or if it is too hard to get to, (some air filters are harder to get to than others) they will say they changed it, charge you for it, but it will be the same dirty part.
So here is the situation, they say they changed something but they didn't, so you go on your merry way driving with spent lubrication. (much more important when talking about the transmission since its fluid doesn't get changed as frequently as the oil)....
Say the tranny is serviced every 50k miles by most people...jiffy lube says they changed it, so you take their word....next time its getting changed is at 100k miles, and the protection that the fluid has after being in there that long is nil. You got to remember it is mostly highschool students working on your car. I'm not saying every Jiffy Lube employee is bad, but the reason to change your own oil is because you know it was truly done!, and done right."
DrCOOL959 said: "See it for your self!
Jiffy Lube Caught in the act!
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiCAJ8ULnaI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiCAJ8ULnaI[/URL]"
DrCOOL959 said: "[quote=DBrew] Burn your bras you liberated females!:laugh: You two gals rock![/quote]
lol!!!!!!!!!!!"
**Shorti** said: "Hi all I found this article off of USA TODAY and I thought it was definably worth spreading around. I too think this trans fat free thing has gone too far to not spread the word WHY trans fats are so bad... and what exactly is replacing them?? We need to educate, not market ourselves into a even worse situation.
The article was too long to post but PLEASE read it. It's worth thinking about and educating your family and friends about.
Find this article at:
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-02-22-trans-fat-cover_x.htm[/url]
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**Shorti** said: "Thats awesome! I have never gone to a JiffyLube.. my father dispises them. Not to mention my brother-in-law owns a GMC dealership, so I go there. I got my oil done at a Sears a couple of times because of traveling reasons. Less than 2 months later I need a new oil pan b/c they striped the threading!! Now I know better. Only going to the dealership now cause they know not to f**k with my truck or I will get them fired. :D *innocent smile*"
JasonMinus100Pounds said: "I personally will not eat trans fats anymore, with slight exception on occasion in very small quantities.
Trans fat is a derivative of [B]candle wax[/B]. Transfat used to have a massive market which brought forth many companies and factories to produce it. Then, as electricity started becoming commonly available and affordable, less and less people bought candles. With all these transfat factories and a rapidly dwindling customer base, the corporations started looking for new uses to bring thier product back into the 'mass consumption' category to allow thier investments to continue to pay off. Well they somehow determined that it could be used as a food additive. It could be used as form of fat that drastically increased shelf life. Transfat remains solid at room temperature and well above (like lard, but much denser). And so begun one of countless profit driven products that is a poor excuse for food.
Transfat is disgusting and no amount of sugar, chocolate or other yummy additive with mask the truth for me again. Knowledge is power, afterall."
Lindskd said: "(this is mainly in response to the previous post because I thought the same thing)
Even saying 'fat free' can be a major stumbling block for non-label readers, because sometimes they assume it means less or no calories.
I agree with the article, I think there's no problem in trying to minimize known health risks, but trying to work around it developing new chemicals or whatnots, you run a risk of discovering something worse. Hopefully that doesn't happen, and more manufacturers figure out way to tweak their formula to incorporate 'not-as-bad' oils (but I don't know if that would include palm or coconut, heh)."