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Be Careful If Treating Kids With Tamiflu

cvalh said: "It's all about moderation. I wasn't as extreme as these "constant ear infections," but untill I was about 4, I did get really severe ones that required medication. I also have partial hearing loss because of one that stuck around an extra long time. However, I also think medication is over-prescribed in some instances. Doctor's need to get som sense of perspective... The kids who get sick once don't need a massive dose of super-strong antibiotics, but those that get sick repeatedly can't go without meds, either."

cvalh said: "Lakelady, both of those last statements are essentially true. The superbugs show up on farms and in hospitals where disinfectant is used like mad. All those things that kill "99.9%" of germs? Well, that .1% is left over to reproduce more that can survive the disinfectant. As for kids with no immune system... Asthma, allergies, and other problems have gone up incredibly in the last 50 years. That's despite the air actually being cleaner in many places than it was 50 years ago :signs053:"

DBrew said: "Awwww, my poor babies! I am glad I made the descisions I have about these infections. I never knew what one was like! I do know what an abscessed tooth is like, though and if it is worse than that then OH BABY!"

DBrew said: "Both of my sons seem to get at least one minor ear infection per year in which I do give them the prescribed antibiotics. I would like to try to let them get better on their own, but they are so miserable during the infections, I can not stand to see them suffer more than they have to. From what the doc told me, one MUST finish the whole antibiotic in order to get rid of all the bacteria. If the whole course is not given, then the bacteria have a good chance of becomming resistant the next time. It is such a pain to finish off the whole thing with little ones, but well worth the task. I am thankful that I have never had an ear infection. They seem simly awful!"

DBrew said: "This is why I HAVE vaccinated both of my children. That said, they will probably not, nor will I be getting flu shots. I knew a girl in school who's mother was paralyzed from the waist down due to an allergic reaction to your everyday, run of the mill flu shot. Also, new research is linking chilhood brain cancer to a host of vaccines. I have read parents heartbreaking stories on this matter and I will continue to research the pros and cons of every shot that is put into my children's body. I refuse to blindly trust people. Also, I would not just judge people on their opinions, which we, as Americans, are free to have. I would not call you stupid for thinking different than I. That is just disrespectful and lacking in human decency. It is clear to me you are an intellegent person who is strong in their beliefs and I totally respect you for that. Please be a bigger person and stop namecalling on featherish!"

DBrew said: "Fortunately, my doctor is great and very open to using natural therapies first. Unfortunatley, my new pediatrician is very old school and seems unable to answer alot of questions I might have about newer research. I am in the process of finding a new pediatrician. For now, I will have to go by my own judgement. If my children were in day care and exposed to lots of children, I think I would consider the flu shot more than I do now. I am stay at home mom and I home school my older son so we do not have nearly the exposure that others do. I did not mean to generalize docs. You are right. You can not paint ANYBODY with the same brush. I really try not to."

DBrew said: "Well I do immunize for the most part, just not the immu. I think are ridiculous and brand new. I agree that immunization has saved many lives but some of the ingredients are very dangerous. It is just hard putting that into my babies without feeling nervous-BIG TIME! PS- That smiley is not very nice and I am quite the opposite. Questioning what we put in ourselves and especially our children is pretty intelligent if you ask me."

DBrew said: "I think I would definately like your doc. I feel he is right about the anti bacterial craze and what is worse is that it is virtually impossible to find household soaps etc. that do not have the words anti bacterial on them in the grocery store! You almost have to go to the health food store to get simple soaps and cleaners which is VERY expensive. I think it is ludicrous that people harass for breast feeding! I do not know how nourishing one's child is considered "dirty" or "disgusting" to anyone. I make it point to not do it in public to avoid such people."

DBrew said: "Thanks for the apology. That is really sad about the kid who died from the flu. All we can do is our best as parents and there are really no generalizations to be made due to unique circumstances. I will try to keep my family's immune systems strong with natural supplementation. We all got really bad flus last year with my baby,then six mo. old, as the exception. I believe he did not aquire the flu due to his being breastfed and recieving my immunity. He is still breast feeding somewhat so hopefully that will help. I feel that, even with the flu shot, one still does not have protection against many strains of the flu. My mom was always getting flu shots, yet she still got severe flus. She finally quit getting them as she found them to be a waste of time. I am sure there are many children as well as seniors who die of the flu every year, and that is a horrible thing, some of them having had flu shots. We do not know if there are any potential long term health threats from recieving flu shots and i just do not think they are safe. I can not trust doctors very much because they do not seem to know much about the drugs they so freely pass out. Most drugs fix one thing, and then cause more problems from what I have found. My philosophy is, unless I REALLY need a drug, or can not solve a problem with natural therapies, I am not using it. That is how I feel, and I feel very confidant about it. I think it is fine if others want to make use of the flu shot, more power to them. They are just not for me."

DBrew said: "I do not feel that all the vaccines that we give both children and adults are tested with enough scrupulousness. I also do not feel they are all necessary,either.(The flu shots do not protect against all strains and can have horrible side effects. We do not know the long term effects of any of the shots people are given. As parents, we need to weigh the risks very carefully before we give our children drugs. They can cause cancer, illness, autism and more."

HDales said: "With me I always finished my medication and I still got ear infections. It was because one of my tubes in my ears were a little to small so I would constantly get fluid build up in my ears really bad.. and Viola.. instant ear infection. Thats also the reason why I had the tubes in my ears twice."

HDales said: "[QUOTE=lakelady]My youngest had chronic, excruciating ear infections 'til he was 8. Without antibiotics he'd have had repeated burst eardrums and likely some hearing loss would've resulted. Like I said, talk to your doc. he knows a couple of things that we don't![/QUOTE] I was the same as your son, from when I was 3 months until I was 11 I was plagued by the most painful excruiating ear infections. I had to get tubes twice as well. My ear drums have burst at least 2 times each and I really really get upset now a days because doctors no longer prescribe medication for ear infections. I also have some hearing loss in both ears from all the infections and scaring on my ear drums. I have never had a doctor look into my ear without commenting on how much scar tissue I have. I would have at least one ear infection every month until I was around 11. If I didn't get any medication to help them go away I bet I would have had a constant ear infection for those 11 years of my life. I flipped out on one doctor about 5 years ago because he refused to prescribe me anything for an ear infection and this was AFTER I told him how much history I have had with them. Needless to say I switched doctors after that. I'm just glad I hardly get them anymore. SO if I had a child who rarely got ear infections I would give the no medication a try. BUT if I had a child who was like me there is no way in hell I would ever let them try get through an ear infection with out any meds."

angel_rising said: "My little guy is to young to get the vacine so my husband, and I each got one so it would be less likely that one of us gets it and pass it on to him. Angel:th_angelsmiley4:"

angel_rising said: "My mom does not do well with the vacinne. Everytime that she has ever got it(20 years strait, job required it) she got the flu exetremely bad and passed it on to the people that have not got that vacine. Her doctor actually thinks that she should avoid the vacine this year becuase it is sopose to cover a very serious set of flu strains. Angel:th_angelsmiley4:"

Diamond said: "Just thought I'd pass the word that if you're treating your kids with Tamiflu to look for unusual behavior. The whole story is here if you want to read it. [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-13-tamiflu_x.htm?csp=34"]FDA warns to watch for odd behavior when children are using Tamiflu.[/URL] This is a drug being used to treat influenza."

Diamond said: "I used to get the flu shot but haven't in the past few years because I'm pretty healthy. There are people that need it more than I do."

lakelady said: "yeah, it's worse than THAT!:sad010:"

lakelady said: "The pain of an ear infection is one of the worst pains I've ever had, and I've had crushed ribs, root canal and two of my four kids by c-section (first one and last one). The doctor that refused hdales medication for hers should have his license to practice revoked. I'm glad you don't let your little one's suffer, D. A cold, or flu is one thing, they'll be more resistant if they recover on their own, and antibiotics are useless against virus' anyway. The pain of an ear infection is excruciating. Your doc's right, they HAVE to finish the antibiotics, or the remaining bacteria will be resistant and come back even worse!:sad010:"

lakelady said: "Yeah, D. my pediatrician, who I thought was old when my first was born nearly 30 years ago, always told me that 1 good grandma was worth any 10 pediatricians! He was LIVID when he found out I got hassled for breastfeeding in public. He just retired 3 months ago. Glad I got to have him for all my kids!, but I like my GP too! He says that the united state's obsession with disinfecting everything is creating a generation of children with no resistance to common bacteria, and that the over prescribing of antibiotics is creating 'super-bugs' I think you'd like him!"

lakelady said: "Sorry D, I misunderstood that you didn't immunize your children, but I have to say, as many tragic stories that you know of personally of reactions to the flu inoculation, I can match with a story about someone I know who LOST a young child to influenza in the last three years, one lady who lives right here on the lake who lost her 18 month old son two years ago! Young children are ESPECIALLY at risk! Before you make the decision not to immunize your 12 month old, I BEG you, talk to your pediatrician. I'm not having my teen immunized because his age group has a nearly 100% recovery rate, as does mine, but if I had toddlers, I'd be fighting my way to the head of the line!"

lakelady said: "I'm sorry D, but I stand by what I said. If people started not immunizing their children because of rare and anecdotal evidence, we would literally be putting the lives of ALL our children at risk! I think that , under the circumstances, 'stupid' is a very mild term! If you don't believe me I suggest you read up on the flu pandemic of 1918 that reduced the world population by 1/3. The effect of the influenza pandemic was so severe that the average life span in the US was depressed by 10 years! After you do that, read the childhood mortality rates in the depressed countries that DON'T immunize for the communicable diseases that the developed countries do. If those two things don't open your eyes then I give up. You've made up your mind and I won't try to confuse you with the facts. As I say, your kids are safe, the REST of us have seen to it! p.s. The 'dangerous' ingredients you speak of are the actual virus' themselves, but killed. Our bodies build up a natural immunity when exposed to the 'dead' version. It's all natural. You sound like the original earth mother, you should be able to relate to that!"

lakelady said: "Yes, breastfeeding will keep your kids safe from almost everything. I breastfed all mine for at least a year even when it wasn't 'fashionable' (almost got arrested once for breastfeeding at a bus stop with my first!) I too, believe in meds only when necessary, but then, that's what my doc believes in too, so don't paint them all with the same brush. My youngest had chronic, excruciating ear infections 'til he was 8. Without antibiotics he'd have had repeated burst eardrums and likely some hearing loss would've resulted. Like I said, talk to your doc. he knows a couple of things that we don't!"

lakelady said: "Well, there's always good old ivory. Seriously I think he was talking about all the antibacterial kitchen wipes, and (have you seen this) the antibacterial wipe on the SHOPPING CARTS so you can disinfect the handles, and the sprays and sanitizers, etc. I don't think he's really concerned about what we wash our floors with. About the breastfeeding, I don't think what happened to me, happens much anymore. That was my first baby and he's 29 now. I had three more after him and never had much more than the occasional, easily ignored, rude glare. By the time my last was here, hardly anyone gave me a second glance. I think people realized taht they can't really expect a mom to starve her child because they can't be bothered to look another direction if they're offended.(although I really can't understand why anyone is ever offended by the sight of an infant being fed) Well, have a good day"

lakelady said: "[QUOTE=cvalh. As for kids with no immune system... Asthma, allergies, and other problems have gone up incredibly in the last 50 years. That's despite the air actually being cleaner in many places than it was 50 years ago :signs053:[/QUOTE] ...EXACTLY the example my doc used, cvalh."

lakelady said: "[QUOTE=DBrew]I do not feel that all the vaccines that we give both children and adults are tested with enough scrupulousness. I also do not feel they are all necessary,either. We do not know the long term effects of any of the shots people are given. As parents, we need to weigh the risks very carefully before we give our children drugs. They can cause cancer, illness, autism and more.[/QUOTE] :signs057: yeah, Dbrew, but Smallpox, diptheria, pertussis and polio are fatal, so can measles, invasive streptococcus, and hepatitus b, be fatal. Mumps can cause sterility in male children, and rubella causes birth defects when contracted during pregnancy. These are just a few. You're probably safe not having your children immunized because the rest of us do! it's called 'herd immunization' and it means that since there are no hosts for the disease, it can't be spread. If too many people thought like you, that protection would disappear. ask Spectra, she's a microbiologist, she knows. Those of us who immunize OUR children are, in effect, protecting yours! You're welcome."

lakelady said: "Does everyone get their young kids the flu vaccine? They didn't have it when my youngest was little. Seems a good way to avoid treating them with anything. After four kids, I don't take any illness too seriously unless they're bleeding from the ears!:vomit:"

lakelady said: "She was probably getting the 'live' vaccine which can give you a mild case of the 'flu'. She should ask her doc what he thinks of the 'killed' virus vaccine, but by all means, she should do what the doc says, I'm an engineer, not an MD, I only know what I read about the flu vaccines."

lakelady said: "That's good thinking angel, good for you! didn't you say your mom lives with you. She should get one too! Besides, your family has had enough illness lately!:throwup:"