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DarkPhoenix & fitwitch

stephuk said: "wow wot an interesting subject.am gonna have a look on the net for more info. :D"

UniqueMystique said: "OK....I'm curious about the two of you. There are a few others here as well but I do not recollect their usernames. I've heard of witches and of Wiccan but I must say that I'm not all that familiar with what it's all about or what you guys stand for. I'm not trying to start a debate or ruffle any feathers....I would just like to know more about you and what you practice. Broaden my knowledge. Am I alone here or are there others here that would like to know too? Thanks in advance. :)"

UniqueMystique said: "Thanks! I didn't realize that it was considered a "religion". Shows how much I know about the subject. Thanks for the link. I'll be checking it out."

UniqueMystique said: "Wow! I went to that site and there's just so much to know!!!!! I'll ask a simpler question (I hope). :D What is the purpose of spells or magic?"

UniqueMystique said: "Ok....so spells are typically used to do good things then? If someone uses a spell to bring harm...are there consequences? (And I was secretly wondering if you could use a spell on yourself) ;) Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I just like to know about others. What makes them tick, etc. I don't want you to think that I'm judging you in any way or anything....I've just a real curiosity about people and what makes us all different. Plus....learning something new has never hurt me. :) Knowledge is power!!!!!"

UniqueMystique said: "Ok...I've heard of the threefold law. Just didn't know where it came from. :) I realized after looking at that forum that there's so much to know and how hard it must be for you to give answers to someone who hasn't a clue about things. I thank you for being patient with me. How often do you and your coven meet up? What do ya'll do when you meet up? Study?"

UniqueMystique said: "What are some common misconceptions that people have who are not familiar with your beliefs? :)"

UniqueMystique said: "This is very interesting! Two different viewpoints. :) But I suspect that this is true for most beliefs. One person can read, hear, or see something and view it in a totally different way than another person. Fitwitch mentioned that some people just smile and nod....what are some of the most common reactions that you get when people find out about your beliefs?"

UniqueMystique said: "Thanks for posting, Scarlett! My questions weren't just directed towards darkpheonix and fitwitch.....they were just the two that I could recollect mentioning their beliefs. If anyone else wants to post their beliefs on this thread....I'd welcome it. I just don't want others judging others and telling them that what they believe is wrong. I believe myself to be a very open-minded person and I love learning about our differences as well as our commonalities. We are all unique yet in some way...we are all alike. :)"

UniqueMystique said: "I understand, Scarlett. I rarely discuss religious beliefs or politics....it usually ends up in someone thinking that my viewpoint is wrong and way off base. When I started this thread though...I wasn't aware that this topic could be considered a religious one. I was intrigued by the comments though and wanted to ask more questions. Often times though when a subject matter is brought up and others don't agree with the viewpoint or beliefs...arguements and heated discussions can brew because sometimes we just can't ignore others and their comments. I just didn't want that happening since I'm the responsible party for creating this thread. Everyone here gets along wonderfully and I want it to stay that way. :)"

UniqueMystique said: "I agree with you, Sassy. I grew up as Southern Baptist. I still carry a lot of the beliefs but there is so much that I disagree with. I asked a question in a Sunday school class when I was very young and I was basically hushed and told that we didn't ask such things. We were learning about how God created everything and me being the curious one asked, 'So if God created everything....where did God come from?" The church that I grew up in did not believe that a person should drink or dance. I questioned that greatly when I became older because it's plainly written in the Bible that people danced and drank. I also became very disenchanted with organized religion as a whole when I was about 12 years old. My father was a Deacon of the church and also taught adult Sunday school classes....my mother was a children's Sunday school teacher too. We went to church every time that the doors were open. My father discoverd the preacher skimming church funds and when he brought it up with the church members he was told that he had to be wrong and basically called him a liar. We left the church that day. A few months later...the preacher had left and the members were begging us to come back because they were wrong. I've never been a member of a church since. So....having said that....my beliefs are those that I have formed on my own. I believe that there is a higher being. I don't believe this being to be a condemning one so therefore I don't believe there's a Hell. I don't believe that I can't have a drink or dance. I also believe that things in the universe affect us too. Like stars lining up in a certain way...the moon being closer and farther away from the earth.....the earth's internal temperature...etc. Meaning that I don't think the higher being controls everything.....we are affected by outside and inner things. I also guess that I'm a bit like Scarlett too....I don't pray much unless it's in a group setting and someone else is leading the prayer but I do put out energy or thoughts in hopes that I can affect an outcome. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm a bit of a mixture of many things."

UniqueMystique said: "[QUOTE=fitwitch]I have to say that I think there is a marked difference between religion and spirituality. I find "religious" people to be the people who judge and point fingers, when they themselves do the same things... Hypocrites. The "spiritual" people are those who believe there are many ways or paths to the divine. Those that really FEEL the connection to whichever deity or path they follow and don't condemn others for their ways of doing things. I believe there are spiritual people and religious people in all religions and paths, so it isn't reserved for one group of people in my opinion.[/QUOTE] I think I have to agree with you on this, fitwitch. :)"

Qian said: "Please, i'm very interested as well. I've never heard a lot about this except for the Wizard of Oz and The Craft. We all know Hollywood has very skewed perceptions as to what is real."

Sassysurfnic said: "I have to agree, this is very interesting. I am a Roman Catholic and went through Catholic grade school and even a Catholic university. The thing that bothered me when I was little (and even scared me a little) was that we were not AT ALL to question ANYTHING regarding God or Catholocism (sp?). That bothered me because I had so many question and it scared me bcause it was like I would be a bad Christian if I had an opinon or didn't believe something. Itwasn't until college actually (keep in mind I said a Catholic university) that I had a religion/philosophy teacher who made it ok to question things. He actually made me very comfortable to ask questions and even give my opionon os some things I did not agree on. I am still a Catholic but to be honest there are some things I agree with and some I don't. One of the biggest things (I think) is the whole issue of wether or not Priests should be allowed to marry. I think they should and I have always believed that. That's just me though. So even though I am a Catholic and I try to make it to mass every sunday (I usually end up skipping at least once a month usually due to laziness) I don't believe in everything about the Christian religion. I also give credit to DarkPheonix, FitWitch and Scarlett because you have your own beliefs and you won't let anyone try to change them. The bottom line, you have something to believe in and something that comforts you in times of need (for example)."

Scarlett said: "[QUOTE=fitwitch] I don't follow a religion really. To me witchcraft is a philosophy and a way of life. One does not necessarily need to believe in a god/dess or multitudes of gods to practice. I'm still up in the air as to what I believe when it comes to deity. I'll be perfectly honest about that. I have a matron goddess that I do work with (or the characteristics that goddess represents in life.) I don't worship any deity really, I revere them, and worship nature. That tends to be unique in the pagan world. [/QUOTE] I'm actually a lot like you. I don't really follow any particular path with religion, I don't believe in organized religion for myself personally and I just go with what feels right within. I believe in the elements because they are there, and they are the binding energy...but it is funny because I think I am somewhat pagan...I guess?? But then I also think I am sort of Buddhist...because I do believe in reincarnation of the spirit, or energy so to say, I don't believe in heaven however because I don't think that the energy will ever leave the universe, it wldn't make sense, and the same goes for hell (this is just my opinion, I believe in freedom of the spirit and thought, I totally support Christianity, don't believe in it, but support it, and any other religion that promotes good, it is wise). But I believe in energy too, I believe in the threefold law (is that what it is Dark Pheonix?) because I think whenyou put out negative energy you recieve negative energy, and when you are positive, obviously you recieve positive energy. I do belive in magick of the earth and elements though, so I do charge stones at times for certain things. It's sort of like saying a prayer, but pushing the energy into something physical so to say. I have a shelf set up where I put them with all of the elements represented in something, it is appeasing to the eye and means a lot to me... So I think that it's more of the believe in the universe and the elements that binds me, (I know this question in this topic was not asked of me but I thought I would answer this too since I find a common ground with some of the things fitwitch and darkpheonix said)... And really I don't advertise my spirituality at all... I do'nt think that there is just one path to what is right...it's what guides you, the spirit within that chooses the right path in my eyes. If someone wants to know what I think I tell them, but to me this is such a personal thing, so I practice what I do on my own...just like weight loss, I do it on my own. I was born and raised Christian, but in the end I found that it was never right for me...I don't think it is wrong, because it teaches very good moral values, but it's just not for me. I fell into this path I follow now so to say by seeing and believing in energy, I see that the energy in us is just as strong as the energy in a tree or grass or whatever and we all coincide perfectly. We are all on the same level because we all have that energy, that vitality that makes us live. Sorry so long!!"

Scarlett said: "Well if someone judged me and told me I was wrong haha I just wouldn't respond, I feel that there is no use in arguing over such a personal subject you know! I have never really mentioned my beliefs before this, but as I said I don't really talk about it [B]that[/B] much about them just because of how personal it is to me :)"

Scarlett said: "Yeah that's why I felt pretty comfortable saying what I did. Especially since you had those ladies views, I thought I'd add mine since I am simalar to their beliefs, but mine are still very different. Like I have never really looked into being wiccan, or pagan or anything, I have never searched for religion. I was however REALLY into philosophy, and the more I philosophised and looked into different peoples opinions and read about all kinds of different thoughts I just sort of came upon what I believe (and that is always changing, or really molding into something bigger and better). Friends and I would sit there and philosophize about things, and the world and I would look upon it with an empty canvas, and still in a way that is how I look upon it, my beliefs are always growing and changing... I personally don't believe in religion, but that comes into the philosophy..and really so does everything, in my mind it makes perfect sense b/c it all ties in like a perfect circle...all of it...the world...the universe, the unique blinks in time that our lives are. It's all very intricate, and I knwo it would take forever to really explain it. But reading the other posts I realized how I guess my thoughts are sort of simalar to a pagan, b/c I do believe in the elements and definately believe in their energy...and I do sometimes like to charge stones with energy, and I think it only works (anytime I charge stones I see positive results) because I really think it will work, and I am putting the energy out there for it to work...that even ties into philosophy you know? One time I heard this guy say that once an idea is out there it is like it could be virtually plucked from the air. He said that there was a study done where they had these people do a crossword puzzles that had never been done before... The next day they had the same people who had been isolated come in and gave them a cross word puzzle that had come out in the news paper the day before that thousands of people had already completed. It was found that the scores of the one that no one had done were much worse than those that had done the one that thousands had already completed...I sort of think energy is like that, if I push the idea out there then it has more chance of happening sort of thing...it is a LOT like a prayer...people pray to make themselves feel better, or to make someone they know who is sick better, mentally or physically, people pray about their jobs, their weight, their lives...that to me is very simalar to what I do, I think jsut by putting that intense energy out there things happen that certain way. Sorry for the ramble but I got into what I was saying ther efor a second."

Scarlett said: "[QUOTE=UniqueMystique]I think I have to agree with you on this, fitwitch. :)[/QUOTE] Ditto :) Dittity ditoto :p"

darkpheonix said: "MM I don't mind the question at all. Infact I am happy when people are courious becuase it means that they are willing to listen and maybe break through the misconceptions that are out there Let me just say that you asked one of the hardest questions that you could ask anyone. To explian their religion. Whith that said I will try my best to do it justice. The first key fact is that Wicca is a very personal religion. Diffrent people pratice it in different ways. Within wicca there are many differnt beliefs. Some people believe in many gods while others only believe in one. some people believe that there are two one male and one female, and there are also some people who are Christian Wiccans that believe in Jesus Christ. The belifes and Practices vary dramaticly with in wicca. OK, now that you know that there is a lot of veriaty I should mention that there are things that common throught wicca. Common but not an absulute. [B]"An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will" [/B] It is a saying that most if not all wiccans try to live thier lives by. It basically gives us guild lines to go by. We can do whatever we want as long as it harms no one. That includes ourselves. There are 8 major hollidays that most wiccans celebrate. They are: Yule Imbolc Ostara Beltane Litha Lughnasadh a.k.a Lammas Mabon Samhain If I went into what each signifies I would be here to the cows come home. Wicca is an earth based religion. The above mentioned holidays fallow the earth cycles. Planting, new growth, harvesting, and the earth resting. Also for of the holidays fall on the spring and fall equinox, and the summer and winter solstice. Most wiccans work with nature to achieve peace and balance. Boy. I dont think that I am explaining Wicca all that well. I think that I will just leave a link to a forum for all those who are courious.[URL=http://www.wiccaforums.com]Wicca Forums[/URL] There is a section called "Ask a wiccan" It is for non wiccan members to ask any question that they are courios about. I wish that I could be more help but religion is a difficult topic to discuss. BB Dark Pheonix"

darkpheonix said: "MM OK A personal experiance. I am better at those. No. I was not born into wicca. I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. I knew very early that being a catholic was not for me. I felt that I needed a path that was more connected to nature. It took me years to come across Wicca. Something about wicca just clicked with me, so I started to do my own research. I decided to star pracicing as a solitairy wiccan. About a year into solitairy I came across a local coven* I decided to check out the coven and see if I would feel confertable in a group setting. That was a year ago and I am still a practicing member of the coven. Coven/ a group of witches that work together at rituals, and/or working magik together. BB Dark Pheonix"

darkpheonix said: "MM The simplist answer of the purpose of magik and spells in to improve things. There are spells to improve things in nature. An example is if there is a drought a spell can be done to call rain. There are also spells that to help people aswell. I have used a spell and a potion to reduce a fever that my mom had. I woul like to point out right here that a spell should never be done on a person without their knowledge or consent. There are also spells to helpyourself. I found a weight loss one that I am thinking about trying. Hopefull I answered your question. BB Dark Pheonix"

darkpheonix said: "MM Trust me there is no such thing as too many question. As you said Knowledge is power. Spells can be done to bring harm however becuase of the harm none rule wiccans for the most part don't do any. As for consequences most wiccans believe that what ever energy they send out into the word comes back to them three times stronger. It is refered to as the three fold law. Yes a spell can be done on oneself. I will be happy to answer anymore questions. BB Dark Pheonix"

darkpheonix said: "MM Thanx Fitwitch, You help make my ealier point that wicca and witchcraft come in many diffrent paths and that each path is personal. You fallow witchcraft without fallowing wicca, for the most part I fallow wicca without witchcraft, and I know quite a few people who fallow both. OK onto my coven. First thing I need to do is go back and correct something I said earlier. In a previos post I mentioned that A coven is a group of witches. While some covens are witches it is not limited to witches. Covens can be groups of any pagan religion. Incase you don't know about paganism.I will give you an example to help understand paganism relationship to wicca. Paganism is to wicca as christianity is to catholic. With all that being said my coven is a mixed group of pagans. We have in our group druids, shamans, wiccans, witches, and some who are pagans but have not chosen a specific path. How often we get together. About 21 times a year. We come together for the 8 major pagan/wiccan holidays, and the full moons. There are normaly 13 full moons a year but sometimes there are 14. Opps I forgote one. We also come together for a day of fun once a year. so that brings us up to 22. As for what we do when we are together, we hold rituals on the holidays. Kind of like masses but completly diffrent. On the full moon we work healing spells and send them to those we know need healing, weather it be physical healing, emotional healing, or spiritual healing. As for the day of fun, that is to celebrate chocolate. Like I said a day of fun. BB Dark Pheonix"

darkpheonix said: "MM Common misconseptions. we worship satan. we make human or animal sacrafices we curse people when we talk about magik we mean things like levitation we are all ugly old hags with warts on the nose, who weat a pointy hat and fly around on broomsticks. :D BB Dark Pheonix"

darkpheonix said: "MM There are many differnt reactions that I get. I feel luck becuase the most common that I get is polite coriousity. My parents were fine with it, and that is it for the good reactions. I have gotten quite a few people wanting to save my mortal soul. There have been some people that told me I am going to burn in hell, and one person even called a priest to ask him to do an excersim on me. The one that I find most annoying is the people who want me to solve all of their problems thinking that magik is a fix all. BB Dark Pheonix"

darkpheonix said: "MM I am happy to see that there are soo many opened minded people here. :D Fell free to ask any questions that you want. I will be happy to answer the best that i can. BB Dark Pheonix"

tracy said: "OK, this mght be a naive question but here goes... Seeing as this is a religion, is it something you were born into and grew up believing OR did you choose this religion on your own. I am just curious what your experience was. This is a really interesting topic."

fitwitch said: "OK, wow... I skip a day of posting and all this!! I'll do my best to answer any questions that you all might have. I am not Wiccan though so I'll leave those questions to the Phoenix. ;) I don't follow a religion really. To me witchcraft is a philosophy and a way of life. One does not necessarily need to believe in a god/dess or multitudes of gods to practice. I'm still up in the air as to what I believe when it comes to deity. I'll be perfectly honest about that. I have a matron goddess that I do work with (or the characteristics that goddess represents in life.) I don't worship any deity really, I revere them, and worship nature. That tends to be unique in the pagan world. I wasn't born into this path, I found my way shortly after my daughter was born. I had issues with the Christian faith, and found this path to be more what I feel when it comes to spirituality. Um.... Did I touch on everything that was asked? Any other questions feel free to ask! (Oh, by the way, I am not anti-any religion so no worries!)"

fitwitch said: "When people find out that I'm a witch some of the questions or comments they typically make are: Are you a good/white witch or a bad/black witch (or other variation being "do you use black or white magic)? Are you going to cast a spell on me? Do you worship the devil/Satan? I always answer these questions the best I can, even though it gets frustrating. I don't believe in good/bad/black/white witches. My belief is the intent is what colors the magic, and not all witches/pagans etc practice ONE form of the craft. For instance... I probably would be regarded as working with dark gods/goddesses and by someone who isn't familiar with those aspects would think that I'm a bad witch that works with black magic. I would say that if you pick up one end of the stick ("white" magic) then you also pick up the other end ("black" magic) as well. Another saying that I agree with is "A witch must know how to harm in order to heal." Having said that, we all have choices to make regarding what kind of intent we put into things (regardless of spiritual path.) I would rather not focus on negative outcomes when there are many positive paths to take. I do not work magic or do spells often because there is that possibility of doing harm to another if things are not just so. Other things that people expect about witchcraft that I've found, is that it is a cure all, or a quick fix for the problems in their lives. It isn't. It is a lot of hard work. Other than that, people rarely ask, if they do have misconceptions, they tend to nod their heads and smile. But then, I don't hide who I am, I wear a small pentacle around my neck, and welcome all questions from anyone that is truly interested in hearing the answers. :)"

fitwitch said: "My mother is OK with it now that I've explained some of the beliefs to her. I think she's... more than just curious about it for her own spiritual path, but I let her ask questions as she feels comfortable. My dad (step-dad) thinks I'm nuts, but then... he thought I was nuts when I was very Christian as well (when I was a teen.) I'm not exactly sure what my brother thinks about it, I'm not really sure he knows for sure. My bio-dad and his side of the family though... well, lets just say I've gotten my fair share of "I'll pray for you, so you don't go to hell" comments from them. And that, all in all is the worst reaction I've ever gotten from anyone. Kind of surprising, coming from the bible belt and all (Oklahoma.) I find that people aren't usually too judgemental when it comes to my beliefs, but then... I also don't go around advertising it "in their face.""

fitwitch said: "I have to say that I think there is a marked difference between religion and spirituality. I find "religious" people to be the people who judge and point fingers, when they themselves do the same things... Hypocrites. The "spiritual" people are those who believe there are many ways or paths to the divine. Those that really FEEL the connection to whichever deity or path they follow and don't condemn others for their ways of doing things. I believe there are spiritual people and religious people in all religions and paths, so it isn't reserved for one group of people in my opinion."